Let me begin. I wont start with any of these longwinded introductions but I will get directly to the point.
On my way to work this morning I began to think. I began to think about true mesiras nefesh for torah. Many of my friends are sitting and learning. They drive nicer cars than I do. They take more vacations than I do. They own houses and I dont. Yes, they learn but is this mesiras nefesh?
If you want to see true mesiras nefesh, go to the house of a working baal habos. watch him come home from work, help with the kids, talk to his wife and clean up the house. Then watch him do the daf until 1 or 2 am!! This is mesiras nefesh for torah on both his part and his wifes part. A woman who says that she will take on her husbands responsibility of parnossa and obsolve herself of her responsibilty of chinuch habonim is not being moser nefesh. She is being moser her children and contributing to their eventual demise!! The guy who sits and learns all day is taking the easy way out. Of course he learns but the working guy is the real moser nefesh!!
Let me know what you think.......
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The guy who sits and learns all day is taking the easy way out
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If its so easy, why dont you do it? Do you want a difficult life?
Is the ultimate goal to be moser nefesh? Maybe the ultimate goal is to do the most Mitzvos, which might be learning, as each word is another Mitzvah. Also, a person in learning has a much higher chance of immersing himself in a state of Torah.
Also, it seems that you are living in America. The Avreichim I know that drive cars, drive yeshivishe mobiles. Most dont drive cars and live a very very simple life. I live in RBS, which is a bit more "affluent" than most Israeli chariedi towns, but one can not really use that word to describe RBS. Not where I live atleast. Many Avreichim are up before 7, help with the kids, and out till close till 11 at night learning away.
Its funny how you talk about the wife who works as being moser the children. But what about the husbands who are moser the whole family to make the bucks? Most people I know eventually fall to the good ole dollar
To Chanoch:
I will answer all your questions and show you how shallow your reasoning is.
I dont do it because it is the wrong thing to do. Ever open a shulchan aruch in your life? It says clearly that it is a chillul hashem to take money for learning. You must know where it says that!!
The goal is to be ovaid hashem. By doing a mitvah habaah beavairah you are not accomplishing this.
Yes I do live in America and if you go to lakewood you will see that I am right. What goes on there is a chillul hashem atzum!!
The husbands who work are doing what it says to do in the kesubah!! They are fulfilling their responsibility as spelled out by chazal. The woman are having others raise their kids and supporting some putz to sit on his ass all day and drink coffee!!!!!!
I agree from how you describe your day that you are moser nefesh for torah. I don't agree that all people learning are not moser nefesh. The ones you describe maybe are not, lucky them that they have money from parents. Lots of other kollel guys are serious learners and are moser nefesh as their wives are. I think we need some learners that are mezakeh us but some shouldn't be learning if they are fooling around instead. The true torah learners due deserve to be in kollel. Curious how did u find my blog?
To SWFM:
Thank you so much for your comment. I have been reading your blog for a long time and find it very interesting. Thank you for letting us into your life.
As far as your point goes, you are right. There should be people learning but they have to produce. the problem with the system is that it does not force anyone to do anything. There is no accountability. If they were under as much scrutiny as we working people are, most would be forced out. The ones who would remain are the real ones and they would produce. Sadly that is only MAYBE 5% of the jerks in lakewood....
Please direct people to my blog. I have alot to get off my chest and this feels really good!!
I can agree to that! Don't take offense to what I commented back to you in my blog it's just fyi and I am trying to help so you get more ppl on your blog not less. You don't have email listed so I couldn't email you. Good luck.
Btw your links don't work, I am terrible at this tech stuff so I can't help you. Thanks for putting in my link.
Can anyone who is reading this please tell me how to get more traffic to my blog?? I have alot to say I just would like to strat discussions not one sided conversations. Any help would be appreciated.
When I started my blog I commented on everyone's blog and eventually people kept coming back. Don't tell ppl to come to your blog just comment on their posts, there is nothing else really to do. It takes time, be patient. They will come....:)You should put your email in.
Thanks SWFM!!! I am from the microwave generation and Im not used to waiting!! I guess I will have to learn how to........
If you email me then I will tell you who to comment on and who to ask if they can put ur link up. Go to my blog for my email. Then I will give you the tricks of the trade that I can't put up in your comments:)
Welcome to the blogworld. And yes, I agree with SWFM about the method to generate readership. Hatzlacha!
Thanks SWFM. I first have to make an annonymous email. Ill do it soon.
Lakewood venter; What do you think of my post?
I agree with your point about Daf Yomi, but the point about wives is really a variable.
Some sacrifice their families, others truly give of themselves selflessly.
Also, the implanting of an antiwork attitude in the bochurishe years is an issue, as is the lack of preparation to do anything but learn. Are we encouraging learning as a choice, or are we strongarming people into kolel and then wondering why gedolim don't emerge?
Man oh man are you crazy. Name me even one mainstream Baal Habos that learns the Daf until 2 in the morning. You are so full of hate and bias and it shows right through.
Do you want me to tell you about all the Baalei Batim who come home expecting a table fit for a king and for his wife to be dressed like the queen? Then after fressing his meal and downing his beer, he sits down in front of the "tube" for 2 hours, which has been now replaced by the "holy" internet and blogs away bashing everyone frummer than him??????
FYI, my husband works very very hard! no, he doesnt come home expecting a fancy dinner-- we've been living on deli sandwiches for months!
And no, we dont own a "tube". My goodness! what's with the screwed up misconception of those who are trying to earn an honest living? do you actually think we are not frum enough??? for your information my husband either wakes up at 5:00am to attend a daf yomi shiur (which is PACKED with other frum baal batim) or stays up until 1:00 learning.
and, for the record, he has been sober since I married him (no such "downing his beer" type of thing going on here...)
AND, I know many many other people like us!!
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